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OK I asked about live liner type reels as i was reading the reply I get more confused about setting the hook on these fish you fish with the bail open you fish with the drag lose you buy a live liner . So my question is whats the best way or should I just watch some more and is live bait different then lures
The best way if you can is to go out and watch the locals in action and ask questions. Most of them would be more than happy to teach you their way of doing things.
Part of the confusion that occurs every time someone asks a question is due to the thread getting hijacked and turned off in an irelevant direction.
Here is where DRH gave a good answer regarding getting hooked up if using the 560 L
"Another thing I do or actually don't do is set the hook when using these reels. I just let the fish get the slack out of the line and as soon as I hear the bait drag's clicker I flip the switch and let the the drag pressure and the fish's momentum do all the sticking. My hook up percentage may not be the best, but it isn't too shabby either. It was a lot worse when I used to feel the need to "jack-em-up"."
Let the fish swim off with the bait for a few seconds with NO tension on the line... Then when the line comes tight then raise the rod to set the hook .... Don't bill dance it.. Even though jumping hook sets are fun
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Let the fish swim off with the bait for a few seconds with NO tension on the line... Then when the line comes tight then raise the rod to set the hook .... Don't bill dance it.. Even though jumping hook sets are fun
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WHOOOO JACK EM UP!!!!! I'M on!!!
If you've ever done any bass fishing a good comparison would be when fishing a plastic worm and it gets caught on a limb or piece of grass and you give it a slight tug or two to get it to jump free. That's about all the hookset you need for a mackerel after you give him a second or two to eat the bait. Jackin up a fish is mainly for the tourists and to get everyone excited when a fish bites. Throw in a WOOOOOOOO!!!! and every sightseers eyes are focused on you.
The use of a live liner feature or the need to let the fish eat does not apply to lure fishing.The two biggest mistakes that happen thousands of times every year king fishing is,drag too tight from the start, and people having their drag set OK,but freak out when the fish starts hauling butt then they tighten it till it pops.I just tested my drag with a digital scale and 1.10 to 1.25lbs is where you need to be.As for the bait runner,do not set it too loose because it will backlash on the strike.
John, is that drag setting as the line comes off the reel, or after it passes through the guides?
Fish fighting position,around a 90 degree angle.Rod being held at a 45 from your body and line being pulled at a 90.
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.As for the bait runner,do not set it too loose because it will backlash on the strike.
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I can testify to that. Took me a couple of times to figure that out - just a thing you sort of have to get a feel for.
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.As for the bait runner,do not set it too loose because it will backlash on the strike.
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I can testify to that. Took me a couple of times to figure that out - just a thing you sort of have to get a feel for.
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It is only a problem if the fish takes off fast and stops or slows down dramatically. This makes it hard to gauge it by feel alone other than to lose a few fish. What I do rather than dialing in on it over missed fish is to get a wrap or two of line between my thumb and finger right next to the roller, quickly rip out an arm's length of line and preset the bait drag to eliminate or at least reduce the chance of backlash.
I usually have the bail open, lightly holding it with one finger. When the fish takes off with the bait, I let him take line freely for about 3 seconds and the close the bail and swiflty raise the rod to about the 10 o-clock position as the line tightens up. No big "bill dance" rod set. If your hooks are sharp, no need to really set the hook.
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I usually have the bail open, lightly holding it with one finger. When the fish takes off with the bait, I let him take line freely for about 3 seconds and the close the bail and swiflty raise the rod to about the 10 o-clock position as the line tightens up. No big "bill dance" rod set. If your hooks are sharp, no need to really set the hook.
and if a fish feeds with the bail closed?
when the mackerel show up in better numbers again.. try feeding fish blindly (without watching the fish take the bait) .... this can help those out who choke fish...
Yep, don'tcha just luv it when that damn mac waits until you're reeling to grab the bait ??? ::)
If he's headed away it's usually game over, press restart :violent
But if'n he makes a loop or is coming back to the pier often all I have to do is drop the rod tip (to lessen the line resistance) and let the fish complete the manuever and bring the line tight.
2-3 seconds, that's all we need right? ;-)
Spanish do that a LOT with small LYs (or even big ones and cigs too).
Usually when any mackerel feels ANY resistance on the line (even a float) they will chomp down and 'step on the gas'.
You get your empty hook back or half a bait or occasionally a foul-hooked fish that pulls free half of the time ::)
Anyway, if the bait is 'chomped' I bank on a return engagement or his school buddies may be hungry too and just let the 1/2 bait free fall naturally for at least 5-10 seconds ... :evil:
However there is always the Lou method and wait for someone to hook a fish and kindly ask them if they plan on keeping it.
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Usually when any mackerel feels ANY resistance on the line (even a float) they will chomp down and 'step on the gas'.
You get your empty hook back or half a bait or occasionally a foul-hooked fish that pulls free half of the time ::)
Anyway, if the bait is 'chomped' I bank on a return engagement or his school buddies may be hungry too and just let the 1/2 bait free fall naturally for at least 5-10 seconds ... :evil:
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when you say any resistance... do you mean they will even spit a bait on a secondary drag type reel? (liveliner)
:horse: :horse: :horse: :horse: :horse:
but i'v been told there isn't enough pressure to matter?? :wall:
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Usually when any mackerel feels ANY resistance on the line (even a float) they will chomp down and 'step on the gas'.
You get your empty hook back or half a bait or occasionally a foul-hooked fish that pulls free half of the time ::)
Anyway, if the bait is 'chomped' I bank on a return engagement or his school buddies may be hungry too and just let the 1/2 bait free fall naturally for at least 5-10 seconds ... :evil:
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when you say any resistance... do you mean they will even spit a bait on a secondary drag type reel? (liveliner)
:horse: :horse: :horse: :horse: :horse:
but i'v been told there isn't enough pressure to matter?? :wall:
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I've not had a noticable problem with drops on my live liner with the bail closed and LL drag set light.
But, then, I'm good that way. ::)
To continue :horse: IMHO the LL reels are excellent for pier king fishing. Just like using a manual PU, it takes losing a few to develop a feel for how to get them hooked up.
eta = I'm the last person around that will disagree with #er. I'm only reporting my observations. The LL drag is, IMHO, little more than an open bail when set at its lightest setting. Please don't ask the obvious question of, "Well, then why not just use a plain reel with an open bail." I probably would just say, "None of your business." :P :slap:
and if a fish feeds with the bail closed?
If the drag is set correctly that shouldnt be a problem, he'll take line and hopefully get hooked. Maybe he wont, but thats fishin.
But if I am at the rail, unless I am reeling in, the bail is open.
I've had them drop baits for no apparent reason when using the fingertip on free spool method---Just one quick WHAM and you've got a shorter bait and a bad attitude.
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I've had them drop baits for no apparent reason when using the fingertip on free spool method---Just one quick WHAM and you've got a shorter bait and a bad attitude.
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I am of the opinion that 80% of the drops, chokes or otherwise missed fish are of this variety.
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I've had them drop baits for no apparent reason when using the fingertip on free spool method---Just one quick [size=12pt]WHAM and you've got a shorter bait[/size] and a bad attitude.
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[size=12pt]Using braid, you could also end up with a shorter finger :poke1:[/size]
The only use I have for braid is bottomfishing offshore, no lost fingers for me!