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I have a 6500 series spinning reel to be used in the surf. hoping to hookup with biggest thing that takes the bait, except shark.
In using a combination of mono, fluro and braid, suggestions on how to spool it and what # of each line to use and the knot of choice to connect one to another..
I might make it 100 views without anyone offering any suggestions or help.
All I've ever used is Ande or Trilene Big game (12-14# test on the smaller reels for spanish, specks, etc and 20-25# test for my bigger Penn 850ss for kings, sharks, etc). I have never bought into the flourocarbon and braided lines.
That's kindof a 'wide' question IMHO probably shied folks off.Quote:
Originally Posted by witler
Look at that reel's line capacity for braid: 430/30 340/40 280/50
Your options are to use an entire 300 yard spool of 50# braid or go with a lower # test and use undershot or overshot.
What is your preference?
That reel is too big and heavy to hold while surf fishing, so it would be in a rod holder 98% of the time.
Set rig for bullreds?
See, I'd go with the braid, use a swivel and a mono leader so that if a big shark does take the bait, you don't get spooled and lose all your line. He'll just bite through the mono and that's-that! The next largest [non-shark] fish near the surf is a bull redfish and good mono or fluorocarbon leader will work great with reds. I like a chunk of fresh-dead mullet for surf fishing, but maybe other guys have a better suggestion for bait.
Whenever possible, I avoid tying braid to mono/fluoro. Neither sharks nor reds are swivel-wary and I just trust that connection more.
I never heard of flouro leaders and mixing braid on a reel, until I started following this forum. When surf fishing on the mid-east coast I used 15# mono straight from spool to the sinker. I never had a setup snap off from the shock, however we did not have to deal with sharks and other toothy species, kings etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by hammerhead
I was seeking advice from an expert such as yourself as to how to mix the different lines on the reel,backer, top shot, etc.. to increase my capacity. As for the weight of this reel I think it is about 22 oz. before this I was surf fishing with a Mitchell 406 at about 28 oz. of course I was a bit younger then and weight was not much of an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pier#r
Regardless of what # line I use, how much backer should I use before adding braid and how much top shot should I use, And the knot of choice for making these connections.
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Originally Posted by witler
If you want the most capacity, then you'll fill up with braid and use a mono or fluoro leader. Either use a swivel between the braid or learn to tie an fg knot, Albright knot, or double uni knot. Pound test depends on what you're after but for cast ability and strength, a good compromise, 30 pound braid is a good starting place. If you get a small spool of braid, you'll have to start the spool off with some mono filler.
i take my steelhead gear down from michigan. its already spooled with 10lb pline cxx and have never ever lost a fish and have to throw 4-6oz of lead. i have never lost a fish including an eatimated 23-25 lb bull. it has also landed two sharks both Around 30 inches. i just bought a new penn 4500 reel and put 12 suffix hi vis yellow and am hoping for similar performance as the pline
Hmmm, you know how they define expert?Quote:
Originally Posted by witler
An Ex is a has-been and a spurt is a drip......under pressure ;-) lol
The amount (and diameter) of the backer you use is dependent on the pound test of the braid and the capacity of the reel to fill out the spool to a normal working fullness. That in itself is a SWAG as braid claim comparisons to "mono equivalent diameter" are often understated and reel line capacities claims are often overstated (though Penn is usually pretty close).
Fluorocarbon would be a waste of money, time, effort and just complicate your setup IMHO.
I try to keep it simple with as few knots and hardware (and weight) as possible to get the job done.
You could easily put a 300 yard spool of 15# to even 40# braid on the spool first and top it off with as much 15# - 20# mono as long as it is at least 100 yards.
You do NOT want to be casting that knot as it will wear faster and possibly be a danger should the weight break off.
Join the two with a uni to uni knot or FG knot or one of the other braid to mono knots.
Hope this helps!
Yes it does help and Thank You and everyone else that offered suggestions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pier#r
I would recommend some Trilene Big Game in 15# test with a 30# shockleader for that reel.
Braid on bottom for added reel-capacity and mono on top-shot for increasing "shock cushioning" of a head-shaking or surging fighter.
Mono on bottom for cheaper filler and braid on top-shot for bite sensitivity (i.e., low stretch) and/or casting distance (thin diameter). A short leader at the end of braid for hiding the line, or bite-protection/abrasion resistance is ok too.
Yo-zuri Hybrid line is a co-polymer line with better-than-mono sensitivity but some stretch, plus cheaper than braid. Big Game Trilene is a go-to mono.
Let's gather some more confusion for the mix.....what about braid slipping on the spool if the braid backing is selected for extra capacity? Is it a problem - or just excuses from poor anglers?
Just for my sanity, I typically wind at least 15-20 yards of mono on the spool before spooling a couple hundred yards + of 20lb. Hi-vis braid.
We use a wrap of doublesided tape around the arbor, then tie an arbor knot with two locking halfhitches and then wrap the tag end onto the tape.
As soon as you put the first rotation of line down it locks all this down.
I've NEVER had this setup slip!
Thanks x2 !
I'll be using that doublesided tape for sure, about to rig up a new reel tonight!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pier#r