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I don't know if you come here or not, but to the woman who helped take the three sabiki hooks out of my back Sunday night (and kept me from going to jail for assault) thanks. I am horrible with names and I apologize for forgetting your name. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! I still don't know how someone on the east rail can hook someone leaning over the west rail.
OUCH!
You fall victim to the infamous Sabiki Brigade?
You need to borrow Fin's Kevlar jacket.
You're the one being assaulted. OUCH! You are lucky, tho. Whenever get a hook hung up, I tend to make 3 or 4 hard snatches to get'em loose!( bad joke, couldn't stop myself)
Man, that sounds like my kind of luck! Glad it was your back and not ya head or face or something.
Tell us the whole story, this could get good!
I had been there for a few hours and had all the whiting that I cared to clean and was getting mad at the specks that was not biting, so I went down almost to the octi to pass time catching bluefish until the mack run. Some of our fish harvesters were on the other rail slinging big sabiki's. I am leaning over the rail working an LY on a cork and feel something knock the crap out of my back (yes he got me with the weight too) then I know instantly I was hooked. Sad thing is he really set them in me when he whipped the rod forward. I know that accidents happen on the pier and I pray that I never hook someone but I would not start yelling if you had to destroy my lure to get it out of someone. The fact that he started getting angry when we destroyed the rig to get it out of me is what made me want to feed him to the sharks. I love fishing the pier but if this keeps getting worse I am going to have to find another place to fish. This was the rare occasion that I was there alone, usually my girlfriend is with me and if it had been her getting hooked like that and he reacted the same way there would have been a thread on here about how some redneck from north Alabama went and started a war and destroyed everything on the east rail. If I have offended anyone with these statements, I apologize but there are many times that I stand around waiting for a safe time and place to cast. I try to be thoughtful of the other anglers on the pier and I wish that some of the other ones would do the same.
I am very self-conscious when I am slinging bubble rigs, because I tend to throw them clean off, and out into the Gulf. But I always watch the four meters around me and will wait for folks to stroll by before I start my windup. Last week this little fellow with a "got rice... " t shirt is hurling his Sabiki east and west with reckless abandon. The white rod looks like a javelin and the weight on the end appears the size of an 82mm ChiCom mortar round. On two occasions I hear the "vhoop" as the rig sails by my ear. We make eye contact, and he never even blinks... so I went to the shallows and fished. I chose not to engage, but I think if he had hit me, I would have been a bit angry if I had not suffered a concussion.
Now before someone jumps in sanctimoniously... I was not being an ugly American. The t shirt actually DID say that and his rig WAS huge. It's just kind of sad when an old, retired convict guard has become so PC that he won't even challenge inappropriate and dangerous behavior. I merely retreated to the shallows to end my trip, doing what I came down for. I just wanted to fish the pier.
I know we have a lot of pier rules, and sometimes enforcing them turns ugly. But it looks like its time to establish a length limit on sabiki rigs. What do y'all think? Before someone gets badly hurt?
sorry for your misfortune.....BUT
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I'll take one tonight when i get home from work.
Really Bill!! As for length limits on the sabiki rigs, I don't see that one going anywhere. We have enough rules and some (including me) think there is too many rules. If anything is done it should be handled as the issue with the sheepshead. Limits should be placed on skipjack and hardtails. Placing more rules on HOW we can fish will only cause more problems.
Can't legislate common sense or morality. If those idiots would simply look first, there'd be no problems.
Common sense ain't so common anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by divedeep
the best would have been........ before hook removal .....ouchQuote:
Originally Posted by terryrweems
Dang man, that's crazy! I applaud you for being the better person and keeping your cool. The bad part, if it happened to you it could just as easily happen to a child. Scary to think about.
We can rant and rave all we want on here, but nothing will change until someone is willing to take it to Teresa and Randy, they don't monitor the forum!
I agree with Dick, too many rules already, and most are not enforced anyway.
Sabiki fishing should be a safety rule "UNDERHAND CAST ONLY", violations would be easy to spot.
Something might get done in the name of SAFETY!
mention "pier liability" and you might get their attention....,Quote:
Originally Posted by FinChaser
Limits on skipjacks and hardtails would just about eliminate the problem . They are harvesting ,not fishing . QUANTITY is what they are after . The fact, that for the most part ,they have little or no reguard for others on the pier is not only a safety issue ,but deters would be fisherpersons and tourist from visiting the pier .
Great idea as usual, Fin. Isn't there already a limit on the amount of baitfish per day, non commercial?
Terry,if it was a attractive long hair brunet lady chances are it was Elena. She is one of the first responders when a person goes down on the pier. She's been in your shoes before, a nasty got-cha plug in the foot sent her to the ER I think.
Whomever it was that was told by one of these "fisherman" that they are selling all these fish needs to call MRD and file a complaint.
Odds are, there "fisherman" don't have a hook & line commercial license. And if they are crossing into FL to sell the fish, its a Federal violation under the Lacey Act.
I know the feds and states have put sting operation place for similar operations in the past, given that they are doing this on a public pier, it will probably get looked into.
If CarlF's assesment is right, one arrest would spread through-out the sabiki community like a prairie fire.
The pier has a vested interest in enforcing an "underhand only rule" because, as it stands now, they are ignoring a very foreseeable, very preventable safety issue.
That said, all of you know ain't chit gonna change know matter how loud we bellow because it would require effort on behalf of the staff. They can't even keep toilet paper in the freakin' bathrooms or keep them close to clean for crying out loud
Y'all take your griping some place else. I lost my playground for a couple years due to Fredrick then again to Ivan. I'm just happy to have a pier I can take my kids and have a good time. Yes,I get a little frustrated with sabikis,dirty restrooms,dead fish,nasty rails,people not following their bait,trollies,bad food,people using the deck as a trash dump,braided line and the list goes on,but I've learned to deal with it. Try having it taken away from you for a few years a couple different times and y'all will appreciate it a little more. Back in the day,the main thing we dreamed of was a longer pier because the end of the old one was in 8' of water where the bathrooms are now.Y'all think about it....... The guy just wanted to thank a person for helping him out and you turned it into a train wreck.
that seems to happen a lot Mr. John, once again I find myself quoting James Hatfield "sad but true", glad to see some people do appreciate some things (that involves the pier and/or this forum) with out having to complain about them, and a thanks to Terryrweems for giving recognition where it was needed :)
MERICA!!!!!! Lol
Good perspective, John, and you are right. My apologies to OP for participating in the hijack
Has anyone tried to address the issue witht he Ala. State Park Commission in Montgomery, Ala. I feel if we all emailed or complained to the top dog, someone may do something about this issue. I will be the first to do it. Will let you all know of my results.
Not a big deal to me. John is right, a lot of things aren't perfect but enough rules. Anytime you get crowds of people together accidents will happen. It's happened to me with gotchas and snatch hooks, but I still love our pier. So, no big deal...Fshntime
I found this thread doing a search for underhanding sabikis, I cannot even fathom trying to underhand one of those and actually getting a catch. I completely understand this rule. Evey time I've been to any other pier, I cast them just to catch bonito for bait, yet witness massive quatities being caught and jus taken away. Does the underhnd cast actualy work wihout using a cannonball sized weight? I too have a harsh dislike for ose guys swinging 10 foot rigs with massive weights on it when a 2 ouncer on a 6 foot rig works just as well. I think it will be safe to say ill be rigging from shore or just buying bait. No need to get anyone upset at me sabiki slinging even though I use great caution with them.
If it is very crowed I cast everything underhanded. I can not stand the thought of accidentally hooking anyone, especially a child.
Yep a two year old thread with new rules on the pier regarding sabiki's
I was aware when I replied, sometimes I just can't help but reply lol.
Underhand casting is all about momentum and timing of the weight (lure, bait, whatever) on the end and the rodtip.
With practice you can cast almost as far as overhand.
But then people using 6 foot sabikis on 10 foot rods are clueless to not care anyway...