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Hi everyone. Has anybody been down to the Little lagoon pass? I am wondering how the new dredge is working. They had removed the old dredge last time I was there and the water was VERY shallow throughout the canal. The fishing pretty much for me at least got very slow when the water got so shallow. I hope they keep it cleaned out. See you all in about a month. Thanks for the info in advance.
Heading that way myself, will be doing some kayak fishing possibly in that area.
I'll bite. There's a new and improved dredge in town! It's been going maybe a month on the north side of the pass. The water looks much deeper than it did a few months back on the north side, but it is still shallow on south end into the gulf. I have not been back since the weather, though. They appear to have more buoys and some pilings spread out to help the dredge (and us fisherman see where the dredge pipe is). I've only caught short mangroves, reds, and flounder recently. Better days are ahead though. Good luck to you both.
Don't understand why they keep spending the money dredging unless they put in jetties.
They have to dredge, a court order from the late 80s/early 90s requires ALDOT to maintain very specific conditions in the cut to keep the pass open.
Its a really interesting history and case. Basically a fiasco started in the first Fob James administration that resulted in multiple lawsuits against the State.
The court decree that ended the lawsuits requires ALDOT keep the pass open and to bypass sand to the west of the pass to account for the erosion stabilizing the pass caused on Gulf-fronting properties to the west..
Classic example of a project built without proper coastal engineering and then society paying for the mistake for years to come.
The new jetty alignment is supposed to reduce the amount of dredging required per year.
But given the unusual nature of the tidal regime and inflows in the Lagoon, as long as there is a pass there, someone will have to dredge it to keep it open.
When the engineers on the project doubled the width of the pass...thereby slowing water flow and increasing sand deposition in the pass itself...they guaranteed a dredge company a lifetime of work.....
Seems to me that if you put jetties out to say even 4 feet of water that the pass would stay that deep. Can you imagine how valuable the property on Fort Morgan Road would become if you could maintain that depth in the pass. You could run a Center Console in and out under the bridge. Not to mention the fishing off the jetties.
From what I understand, it wouldn't make a difference due to some unique hydrodynamics in the system. Any pass is going to fill in.
Plus longer jetties would exacerbate the down-drift erosion to the west.
To build a jetty system that is large enough to consistently have a navigable pass would be millions of dollars and still require periodic (and more expensive) dredging.
Bottom line is that it appears that the Lagoon never historically/naturally had a pass that stayed open 365 days of the year and someone thought they knew better than mother nature when they tried to create one. As usual, we see how that has worked out.
Thanks for all the information guys I appreciate it.
They are redredging the mouth today...
http://www.gulfshorespierfishing.com...tid=5480&stc=1
Albeit a man made catroshpy, the fishing where the westerly flow drains back to the gulf is phenomal at low tide. About 200 yards west of the pass mouth is one heck of a fishing hole.
I would suggest a short wire leader as large packs of ravenous blues tend to gather about 2 hours before low tide.....just sayin'
Attachment 5481 what do you think #r? I wish it was about 200 ft longer. And I know the boaters won't like it. I belive it's just being discussed right now.
True dat. Not much mystery to it. Plenty of BS, but not much mystery.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlF
Lagoon pass a constant struggle in Gulf Shores | GulfCoastNewsToday.com
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“How much time do they need to have,” resident Steve Kichler said.
Took a picture when I was in the area last Friday.
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Everytime i try to go out on boat the excavation gang surrounds me
To supposedly fix his drainage my neighbor had the city dig out in front of my house making an ditch that cannot be mowed and no longer allows parking because of the angle. Did not fix his drainage. I know the squeaking wheel always wins but why do upstream owners always get cared for first? In this example lagoon is upstream of littoral drift towards beaches to the west.
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Originally Posted by Pier#r
Thanks for posting, this article shows the quandary that the State is in because of the lawsuit and court order.
They are forced to try to keep open a pass that doesn't want to naturally stay open in a system that naturally fluctuated having a pass and not having one and between almost completely fresh to hyper-saline depending on the season, rainfall and groundwater inputs.
All while balancing impacts to down-drift property owners who will sue if they don't maintain the long-shore sediment transport.
What's the real solution?
Remove all the structures and let the pass naturally close up?
Spend more money on a different jetty configuration that may or may not really work?
Just live with it and keep dredging & by-passing?
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Originally Posted by Pier#r
I saw him take those pictures but didn't know who he was. I thought that it could be him, but unsure, and didn't talk to him. Now I wish I could have thanked him or all of his beautiful pictures that '#er has put on the forum.