penn live linner

really new to pier fishing but am hooked for real I bought one of the off the rack custom pier rod from J an M tackle 8 ft for my Penn battle 7000 might be a bit big but is what i am going to use for now but wondering about the live liner I was also given by a guy at church a Penn 7500 SS with a 9 ft power stick but its a made in USA Penn like new really so a little feed back so i can do my research I will be at the pier sat so i can ask some more then Thanks to all I have talked to so far ya all have been very helpful

As you said, your Battle 7000 is a bit large but not so large as to not fish with it or to be in an urgent rush to replace it. A 6000 in that series would have been the ideal choice for your rod. If you're interested in a Live Liner and can swing it, I would say go for it. I have said it before and I'll continue to say that the 560L is probably the best king reel available for up to three times its price. As far as your 7500SS is concerned, what is it you are asking? It's a good reel, just as your Battle a bit large but still fishable.

The Penn Battle 7000 & the 7500SS will both easily handle just about anything off the pier.
IMO, both combos are decent choices for the pier.

My go to combo at the pier is my Penn 7500SS on a Seeker 7' medium/heavy.
I recently picked up an older Penn 704Z, going to use that on the pier too, when I get a rod for it.

Just got a 560L of my own today and fished with it for the first time. No bites, but I can tell I'm going have a new favorite reel. Wish I'd gotten one sooner. I agree with DRH on the reel sizes. I got caught up in the "bigger must be better" and have tired wrists from holding onto heavy reels that are bigger than necessary and hold more line than I'll probably ever need.

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Just got a 560L of my own today and fished with it for the first time. No bites, but I can tell I'm going have a new favorite reel. Wish I'd gotten one sooner. I agree with DRH on the reel sizes. I got caught up in the "bigger must be better" and have tired wrists from holding onto heavy reels that are bigger than necessary and hold more line than I'll probably ever need.
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There is a small piece in the 560L that automatically trips the live liner off when you begin to reel. It can be removed with no ill effect on the reel. (get DRH to show you how if you want to take it out, but be warned--it's a bitch to get back in) . I used it with it and and then I took it out. Used it and then put it back in to test the difference. Took it back out. I much prefer to flip the switch myself. Takes a little getting used to - kinda embarrasing to cast with the liveliner still on because of the racket it makes. When you hook up, let the fish run on live line setting and feather the spool with your thumb and wait for that initial burst to slow down before you flip the switch. Otherwise you can strip the gears in a flat second. If you don't keep a bit of pressure on the spool when he first runs you can get a birds nest when the line comes off too fast. Might take you a couple of fish to get it right but when you do, you'll love it.

Why does everyone on our pier insist on the live liner type reels? I have seen multiple fish drop baits due to the pressure still on the line while "freespooling"..seriously guys is It so hard to open a bail? But whatever floats your boat....

With 300 yards of 20# braid as backing for 130 yards of 16# Momoi, I'd say the 560L probably holds more line than I'll ever need. A big tarpon would be the only thing I'd think would stand a chance of spooling me off the pier. The sad thing is that Penn is discontinuing the 560L along with the rest of the Slammer line up. The new SSV6500LL will be the closest thing to it. I'm not certain that the additional capacity is worth the extra three ounces of weight of the newer version. If anybody is interested in a 560L they had better get one now. You may gamble and wait for clearance prices later but inventory could be low enough that any discount may be small and might not last long. [quote author=Peaches link=topic=1885.msg17615#msg17615 date=1345520856]
Why does everyone on our pier insist on the live liner type reels? I have seen multiple fish drop baits due to the pressure still on the line while "freespooling"..seriously guys is It so hard to open a bail? But whatever floats your boat....
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Tyler, if you want to talk about dropped baits I can safely say I have seen more fish dropping baits because of the line pressure from it being on the roller, whether behind a bail or on a manual, before one so called freespools. If the bait drag is set right there is not enough pressure on the line to alert a fish to drop the bait.

Oohhhh I guess that's kind of like the whole super crazy loose drag..

Yea live liners are great for a set rod or a young kid... I just cannot see a single advantage for mackerel fishing like we do

Hell whatever works for ya....

That's it Tyler. Think of Liveliner, Baitrunner or whatever other trade name they are called as dual drag reels. One uber loose drag for letting the fish eat and a regular drag to fight the fish, with the ability to switch from one to the other at a flip of a switch. The same approach could be used with a regular spinning reel, but constantly changing the drag setting would get old quick. I'd rather spend an extra ten dollars or so up front and live with the risks of a few extra parts to fail for the convenience of a reel with a bait drag.

Many times I have tried to reel mine to disengage the liveliner only to not have it click back up, so when I set the hook, it just backlashes. I only manually flip mine now.

Like I said in above post, the little trip lever can be removed to solve that problem. That gives me the choice as to when I want to set the hook as well as when I want to flip the lever to begin reeling.
@ Peaches - choice is one of the things that makes America a great place to live. If everyone used the same of everything, life would be pretty damn boring. To each his own. Yours works for you. Mine works for me.

Peaches - What I dont understand is why some people use Van Staals on Graphite rods in thunderstorms. :poke:

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Many times I have tried to reel mine to disengage the liveliner only to not have it click back up, so when I set the hook, it just backlashes. I only manually flip mine now.
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I have one of the original 5600L reels that manually tripping the lever was the only option and bought a smaller Quantum that had an automatic release. I found that I much prefer the manual variety. I had been wanting a newer Penn for some time and after studying the schematics and parts lists of both the 560L and the 5600L I knew I could make the newer reel act like the older version.

Another thing I do or actually don't do is set the hook when using these reels. I just let the fish get the slack out of the line and as soon as I hear the bait drag's clicker I flip the switch and let the the drag pressure and the fish's momentum do all the sticking. My hook up percentage may not be the best, but it isn't too shabby either. It was a lot worse when I used to feel the need to "jack-em-up".

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Peaches - What I dont understand is why some people use Van Staals on Graphite rods in thunderstorms. :poke:
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:mrt: I pity da fool

Only a googan fishes with his line on the roller in the 1st place ya hold it on ya damn finger to free spool...but we don't know what we talking about just ask us how many fish we killed this year :poke1: I'm about 120 kings how about you peaches 150+ this year CLICK CLICK CLICK BAHAHAHAHAHA :D I love king Fishing :spank:

Just because yall fish with a manual does not mean that it is the only way to fish. Neither does it mean that it is the best way to fish. Yes you many have caught 100+ kings from the pier this year, but how much time have you spent on the pier. I am sure your fish caught vs. time spent ratio is pretty low. There are alot of others who fish out there who have alot better ratio and don't use a manual.

Now I am not saying that a manual reel is the wrong way to fish. It is just another way to fish. Everyone should fish how they feel comfortable. If that means they want to use a zebco to catch a king then so be it. Everyone pays to fish on the pier and they have just as much right to fish the way they want to.

Back to the original post. . . The liveliners are a great way to fish for kings. Takes a little time to get use to it. I have seen many people backlash them (myself included) by forgetting to trip the lever or not turning the handle first. I am sure you will end up backlashing the reel at some point. It is nothing to be ashamed of. Just clear the backlash and go back to fishing. The only way to get good with it is to USE it. I believe our pier is the best on the gulf. We have the largest variety of species and the best people to stand next to on the rail.

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Just because yall fish with a manual does not mean that it is the only way to fish. Neither does it mean that it is the best way to fish. Yes you many have caught 100+ kings from the pier this year, but how much time have you spent on the pier. I am sure your fish caught vs. time spent ratio is pretty low. There are alot of others who fish out there who have alot better ratio and don't use a manual.

Now I am not saying that a manual reel is the wrong way to fish. It is just another way to fish. Everyone should fish how they feel comfortable. If that means they want to use a zebco to catch a king then so be it. Everyone pays to fish on the pier and they have just as much right to fish the way they want to.
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+1 and more zeros than this page can handle.

Very well stated, Dick. I'll add my +'s to divedeep's.

Wilson, I find it extremely difficult to believe that out of 270+ fish that you are claiming that you and Tyler have caught with a manual reel that every single one of them struck while the line was off the roller and on your finger.

Wish I the little guy eating popcorn from the old forum,this could get goood...BTW,thanks for calling my kids and several of the regulars googans.

I am not meaning to start anything. Just giving my opinion.

Knowing Peaches I am pretty sure his comments were not serious. Wilson on the other hand is a different story. :)

Ok, this is not meant to be a thread to start bashing people. Lets either get back to the original topic or kill the thread since a new one was started about the original topic anyhow.

[size=12pt][font=comic sans ms]You didn’t start anything Dick. It just seems like when the fishing slows, the forum members start setting the hook on each other.

I have to agree about fishing the way you are comfortable and successful with; on 7-1-2012 this guy and his son not only got a nice King, but got it on a Zebco 808! Not sure I would feel too comfortable with that setup.
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Much more comfortable with my grandson’s Cars Cartoon setup! This may be my funnest moment!
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You didn't start a thing Richard,you spoke up for a lot of people.Good post man....

If this discussion were on the rail everyone would be getting a kick out of it and having fun.

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[size=10pt]really new to pier fishing but am hooked for real I bought one of the off the rack custom pier rod from J an M tackle 8 ft for my Penn battle 7000 might be a bit big but is what i am going to use for now but wondering about the live liner I was also given by a guy at church a Penn 7500 SS with a 9 ft power stick but its a made in USA Penn like new really so a little feed back so i can do my research I will be at the pier sat so i can ask some more then Thanks to all I have talked to so far ya all have been very helpful [/size]
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^^^ Yea, but it didnt get interesting until here :)

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Why does everyone on our pier insist on the live liner type reels? I have seen multiple fish drop baits due to the pressure still on the line while "freespooling"..seriously guys is It so hard to open a bail? But whatever floats your boat....
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[size=10pt]really new to pier fishing but am hooked for real I bought one of the off the rack custom pier rod from J an M tackle 8 ft for my Penn battle 7000 might be a bit big but is what i am going to use for now but wondering about the live liner I was also given by a guy at church a Penn 7500 SS with a 9 ft power stick but its a made in USA Penn like new really so a little feed back so i can do my research I will be at the pier sat so i can ask some more then Thanks to all I have talked to so far ya all have been very helpful [/size]
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My original response concerning a Liveliner was and still is:
If you're interested in a Live Liner and can swing it, I would say go for it. I have said it before and I'll continue to say that the 560L is probably the best king reel available for up to three times its price.

Note to idahotater

Don't let all the BS run you off. It's been several weeks since the last ball bustin' and it was over due.
Go to a diving board, golf board, cycling board or any place where equipment is discussed and you'll see the same thing. :slap:
One thing there is plenty of on this board is opinions. :poke1:

Yeah its so fun :yay: really u need a 20 wallmart reel with 50yards of 50lb mono i seen a guy hook a king on 50lb mono and took em down to the spool and the knot stayed tied and he horsed em in on it haha some people got all the luck :nyd: I like that pic bubba gotta save that one :yippee:

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Wilson, I find it extremely difficult to believe that out of 270+ fish that you are claiming that you and Tyler have caught with a manual reel that every single one of them struck while the line was off the roller and on your finger.
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no we free spool em and jack em up now choking a fish is different lol

a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while :evil:

Some things are as clear as mud and make as much sense as a soup sandwich.

That's what she said :evil:

I like to watch Todd fumble with his liveliner ... ;) :D

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C'mon baby, c'mon... c'mon. Awwwwww *%$^Q^& >:(

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:yippee: :slap: :headbang: :violent

At least bubba knows just how serious I was... Really guys was only trying to get everyone a lil fired up... Fishing Is slow... So I figured I'd try to have a little fun...

Since feelings got hurt I'll Just keep to my self next time... NEVER TAKE ME SERIOUSLY GUYS PLEASE

And I never said anything about a manual... I caught over sixty or seventy fish on a nailed reel this spring from the piers