penn battle 1000

im looking for somewhere or someone who sells a penn battle 1000 wallmart says they dont carry them in stores and im not a fan of ordering through the internet especially ebay. i want it for freshwater and for trout

Why a Battle? Do yourself a favor and broaden your search to include the Sargus 1000. It is essentially the same reel less the HT100 drag washers and the rubber band on the spool arbor. There is no advantage to Having HT100 washers in a reel that size and the rubber band is totally unnecessary on a reel of any size.
If you don't want to order off the internet then go to a real sporting goods store or bait and tackle shop that is a Penn dealer and have them special order one for you.

well a battle has 1 more ball bearing and ive heard that its not only smoother but it last longer and i think it looks nicer and itll look better with my rod

At the summerdale flea market the lady at the tackle store there has them its rock something store

The extra bearing is a spool bearing. A spool bearing doesn't do much to improve a reel other than add to the bearing count to lure in customers. Whoever told you a Battle is smoother and will last longer doesn't know what they are talking about. Every single internal part on a Battle is borrowed from the corresponding Sargus.
Cosmetics, I can't argue with you on that. As the saying goes, "You can't account for taste." There is no way for me or anyone other than you to decide what you want in how the reel looks or how much time, effort or money you expend getting what you want. I was just trying to help you be an informed buyer and not be duped by slick marketing or untrue testimonials. Good luck finding your reel.

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At the summerdale flea market the lady at the tackle store there has them its rock something store
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Rocks reef....bought a couple rods there...... years ago....and I like the look of a battle too....I own 2 off ebay (4000 & 7000), very pleased with them so far....I know guys I use to fish with uses them and they sure put them through the riggers of fishing....but they are the bigger ones 8000

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At the summerdale flea market the lady at the tackle store there has them its rock something store
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seriously??? i go there all the time i dont know how i havnt noticed one yet most of the stuff i see there is older reels. thanks ill ask her next time im in there

i plan on putting braid on it so the diffrent spool will help

A piece of athletic tape is my go to...But anyway had good luck with both reels... Oh and drH Is right on with the comparison

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A piece of athletic tape is my go to...[/quote]
Even that isn't necessary. Braid slipping on a spool is the biggest myth in fishing.

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[quote author=Peaches link=topic=1572.msg14890#msg14890 date=1342142759]
A piece of athletic tape is my go to...[/quote]
Even that isn't necessary. Braid slipping on a spool is the biggest myth in fishing.
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I have seen it spin on a spool a few times... the line was spooled poorly and very loosely... none of which were very good fisherman....

You probably saw their line dig into the line underneath. Probably the second biggest myth in fishing...A googan thinking that braid is going to transform him into a good fisherman.

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You probably saw their line dig into the line underneath. Probably the second biggest myth in fishing...A googan thinking that braid is going to transform him into a good fisherman.
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no doubt what i saw... line coming off the reel like drag being pulled, but the spool not spinning at all....

guess i dont know anything about braid... :violent

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[quote author=Peaches link=topic=1572.msg14890#msg14890 date=1342142759]
A piece of athletic tape is my go to...[/quote]
Even that isn't necessary. Braid slipping on a spool is the biggest myth in fishing.
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And here I thought "old green Penns being clunky pieces of junk" was the biggest myth in fishing! ;-) LOL!

Ooops, back on topic: what do you braid gurus think of how the added stress of these heavier test braids on these newfangled reel gears will have?
Are they 'geared' to hold up under the strain?

Thanks!

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[quote author=DRH link=topic=1572.msg14891#msg14891 date=1342143505]
[quote author=Peaches link=topic=1572.msg14890#msg14890 date=1342142759]
A piece of athletic tape is my go to...[/quote]
Even that isn't necessary. Braid slipping on a spool is the biggest myth in fishing.
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And here I thought "old green Penns being clunky pieces of junk" was the biggest myth in fishing! ;-) LOL!

Ooops, back on topic: what do you braid gurus think of how the added stress of these heavier test braids on these newfangled reel gears will have?
Are they 'geared' to hold up under the strain?

Thanks!
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Not a braid guru by any means... i think most of the newer reels will be fine... you just cant be loading your little US reel with 80 lb PP... :poke: :poke:

DRH obviously you know something I don't. I have watched braid slip on the spool multiple times, and I can attest to the line being packed because I watched them being spooled. I guess there is no reason for the largest tackleshop in the area to put tape on all the spools that they fill with braid then. I think I will stick with the way I am doing it with electrical tape, seems to work pretty dang well.

I like my shimano stradic 1000(got new in the box up here off craigs list 40.00) ....but wouldn't match your color scheme with your rod..... I would imagine.... ;)

With the way the today's infinite antireverses are made there is very little pressure if any at all caused by the line or any tension on it on the reel's gears. However the rotor and line roller are subject to much more pain.

Heavy braid line and ludicrous drag ratings can lead some to crank too hard on their reels and put too much pressure on the gears. I remember when the U.S. Reels first came out, I was jigging for pompano on the P'cola pier next to a guy with a new U.S. and he hooked a nice pomp about 2.5 to 3 lbs. I asked him if he had a net and if he needed help landing it. He replied "No I've got 20 lb. braid". To my amazement he proceeded to winch the fish over the rail. I saw the same guy a week or two later with a different reel. I had to ask why he wasn't using his new reel. He proceeded to curse the reel, the manufacturer and mostly those no good pot metal gears. I laughed to myself and thought "Dumbass, it is called a U.S. Reel not a U.S. Winch".

MOST FOLKS DONT THINK ABOUT THE AFTER EFFECT ON THEIR REELS AND USE IT JUST LIKE A WINCH BECAUSE THEY GOT THERE FISH IN.I HAVE SEEN LOTS OF OLDER PENNS LIKE THE 5500 AND 6500 HAVE DRAG PROBLEMS LATER ON BECAUSE OF ABUSE THAT ME MYSELF COULD HAVE AVOIDED BUT I WAS YOUNGER AND I GOT MY FISH IN WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT AFTER EFFECT TO THE DRAG SYSTEM AND LET ME TELL YOU THOSE REELS DRAG SYSTEM IS ANYTHING BUT SMOOTH NOW!JERKY IS MORE LIKE IT AND NOT SMOOTH LIKE A SHIMANO!REPLACED THE DRAG WASHERS AND THAT DID NOT HELP !NOW TO GET THE DRAG WHERE I WANT IT,THE DRAG KNOB IS ABOUT TO FALL OFF!YOU LIVE AND LEARN!

You can abuse a reel by using heavy drag and using it like a winch, but as long as you do regular maintenance to it an angler can avoid failures as such. As for your jerky drag, you can add some cals or shimano drag grease and that will 9 times out of 10 solve that problem.

alright ive thought about it and ive decided not to get a battle. whats the difference between a sargus and a fierce besides the amount of bearings and the looks???

any comparison? anyone know?

Braid will definitely spin on a reel if braid is the only line on the reel--especially if you add line conditioner.

Add at least enough mono backing to cover the reel base, double uni to your braid, and it will no longer have any chances spinning under any circumstance.

A fierce is just a lesser version of the battle and conquer.

Just go with the sargus as DRH suggested unless the cosmetics is most important. That said, all 3 of those Penn reels are effective and you won't go wrong getting any of them. I bought my son the entire fierce line awhile back, and when all my gear was stolen last november, i ended up "borrowing" and using his fierces, and was pleasantly surprised at how well they perform for the price, not to mention their line capacity. I am still using a few of them today without complaint.

As for actual UL fishing, though, i truly love the feel of shimano saharas. You should consider that one imo.

does the sargus have an ant-reverse i know the fierce doesnt i dont like anti-reverses

I don't know of a spinning reel that doesn't have an anti-reverse. Some reels have selectable anti-reverse and others have full time nonselectable anti-reverse. Is that what you're asking about?

Just go buy a reel already! Seriously find one that feels good to you, is in your price range and is cosmetically appealing to you. Those three constraints should be the only things you should worry yourself with. No, not all 1000 series reels are created equal, but difference in quality amount to almost nothing in terms of fishability in a reel this size. As an ultra-light newbie you probably wouldn't appreciate any differences or use them to your advantage, if you were able to notice any of them at all.

Sorry to be so blunt, but the sooner you stop asking so many questions the sooner you make a choice and get to fishing. Once you're fishing you will start building experience and you will be able to answer some of these questions yourself.

thanks DRH ima order a penn fierce 1000 since you said in a reel that size its not gonna make a difference in the advantages and it will save me quite a bit of money

Sarguses have infinite(non selectable) anitreverse.

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Sarguses have infinite(non selectable) anitreverse.
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so is the fierce i believe

In the 1000 and 2000 sizes the Fierce, Sargus and Battle reels all have selectable anti-reverse. Infinite refers to zero back play before the AR engages.

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In the 1000 and 2000 sizes the Fierce, Sargus and Battle reels all have selectable anti-reverse. Infinite refers to zero back play before the AR engages.
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well thats ok i just hope it doesnt give me any problems... im ordering it wedsday when rocks reef opens back up...its the closest tackle shop to me